< NotAnNSAgent>
phantomcircuit: To be able to support Bitcoin donations to one of my services, and to deal with another Bitcoin account for my commercial site.
< NotAnNSAgent>
Why is it so hard for Bitcoin to simply support multiple wallets? Why do I have to run entire separate blockchains and instances of the daemon for this?
< phantomcircuit>
NotAnNSAgent, in bitcoin terms a "wallet" is just a collection of private keys and the transactions related to those keys in the blockchain
< NotAnNSAgent>
I have to ignore the accounts stuff, because I learned it's practically removed from the Bitcoin software.
< NotAnNSAgent>
Why didn't Bitcoin support multiple "wallets" right away? I have no idea what you mean that "accounts" are supposed to be, still.
< phantomcircuit>
NotAnNSAgent, the "accounts" stuff is completely separate from handling of bitcoin transactions
< NotAnNSAgent>
And why Bitcoin forces me to have separate instances and separate blockchains for each "account" I want to have (each "wallet" in your terms).
< NotAnNSAgent>
phantomcircuit: I'm trying to discuss the concept of "accounts" in Bitcoin and why they were made the way they were.
< NotAnNSAgent>
But the "wallet" idea is also an attractive thing to advertise. Though I think the "wallets" could rather be Bitcoin's own term for an "account", all inside a "Bitcoin bank" (bank.dat).
< NotAnNSAgent>
So I would've liked it better if the initial metaphor wasn't "wallet" and "wallet.dat", but instead "virtual Bitcoin bank" and "bank.dat".
2016-04-24
< NotAnNSAgent>
Which could only be known to somebody who is very intimately familiar with the Bitcoin development process.
< sipa>
the documentation on bitcoin.org is often very good though, and better than what developers would write :)
< NotAnNSAgent>
If Bitcoin.org is unofficial.
< NotAnNSAgent>
Where is the actual manual for Bitcoin?
< sipa>
at least, not the Bitcoin Core maintainers
< sipa>
Bitcoin developers do not run that site.
< NotAnNSAgent>
I mean "you" as in "Bitcoin developers".
< belcher>
i think i found out accounts were deprecated from the bitcoin wiki or something
< sipa>
18:12:28 < NotAnNSAgent> Since Windows 10, the Bitcoin Core client for Windows uses the awful Windows 10 notifications, which I've been forced to turn off globally.
< sipa>
NotAnNSAgent: i must say that i'm somewhat surprised to see someone comment about using bitcoin on both Win10 and FreeBSD :)
< NotAnNSAgent>
My experiences especially these last few weeks have really convinced me that Bitcoin has a looooong way to go before it can be implemented by anyone other than hardcore experts.
< sipa>
NotAnNSAgent: for the longest time i was not paid to work on bitcoin, and i still spent weekends and evenings on it. please don't say that money is the only reason to do things
< NotAnNSAgent>
Now you're just being ridiculous. Are you saying that every Bitcoin business in the world uses third-party clients because the official one only allows one single wallet?
< gmaxwell>
There isn't really any "from" in the design of the bitcoin protocol in any case-- that people often think there is an artifact of the forensic analysis done by block explorers and the presentation of that analysis as 'transactions' in a way that doesn't actually reflect the operation of the bitcoin system.
< gmaxwell>
sturles: the lack of good durability options for bitcoin wallets probably makes that workflow suboptimal. You probably want to have something that lets you send a transaction atomically with making a backup.
< sipa>
but it's good to know that we should probably ask the bitcoin.org people to mark those RPCs as deprecated on the site
< NotAnNSAgent>
And it appears to be impossible to enable them only for Bitcoin Core.
< NotAnNSAgent>
Since Windows 10, the Bitcoin Core client for Windows uses the awful Windows 10 notifications, which I've been forced to turn off globally.
< GitHub10>
[bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #7933: Fix OOM when deserializing UTXO entries with invalid length (master...fixcompressoroom) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7933
< belcher>
wrong channel, go to #bitcoin-otc or similar
< airmac>
anyone wanna trade i got 29g of bitgold with trade for bitcoin intrested msg me for trade we can use escrow if you want\
< sipa>
#bitcoin-otc or similar channels please
< airmac>
anyone wanna trade i got 29g of bitgold with trade for bitcoin intrested msg me for trade we can use escrow if you want
< NicolasDorier>
in the bitcoin folder does not compile bitcoin2 does
< randy-waterhouse>
recent commit 351abf9e035581e3320fbb72ec5b1fa452b09c2f (depends build) introduces following error http://pastebin.com/q5cP70y8 (and core dump) on bitcoin-qt
< luke-jr>
NicolasDorier: ideally, copy the entire bitcoin/ dir somewhere, then re-do it successfully and compare
< GitHub187>
[bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #7927: Minor changes to dbwrapper to simplify support for other databases (master...2016_04_dbwrapper_modernization) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7927
< GitHub6>
[bitcoin] instagibbs opened pull request #7926: [RPC] push back getaddednodeinfo dead value (master...getaddedpushbackmaster) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7926
< GitHub82>
[bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #7918: [qa] mininode: Use hexlify wrapper from util (master...Mf1604-qaMininodeHexlify) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7918
< MarcoFalke>
Basically https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7918 would conflict with segwit (on purpose) to get rid of the wildcard import and other cleanup. Should I submit this to the segwit branch instead?
< wumpus>
MarcoFalke: I've just enabled commit access to bitcoin/bitcoin for you - to get you started, can you try to merge #7912 using the github-merge.py script? If you need any help setting it up let me know
< GitHub128>
[bitcoin] sipa closed pull request #7868: net: Split DNS resolving functionality out of net structures (master...net-cleanup-resolve) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7868
< murch>
sipa: We've actually met once (very briefly) at Bitcoin 2014. :) I said hi, and told you that I'm a moderator on Bitcoin.SE. and you said, you love our work. Heh.
< murch>
Completely different topic: I'm going to have a meeting later today about a potential master thesis in the area of Bitcoin. I've proposed to do my master thesis on Coin Selection (which I've did some simulation work before, e.g. gmaxwell had commented then). I've seen that CoinSelection is scheduled to be "looked at" for 0.13. Do you think it would make sense to have a more systematic analysis of CoinSelection even though that's schedu
< murch>
My intent is to point out an easy improvement that could be made in the communication with the broader Bitcoin community. Unless I'm mistaken and the table is up-to-date. Then I'll rest my case of course. ;)
< murch>
btcdrak: E.g. adam3us has referred to the table 16 days ago (https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4d3pdg/clearing_the_fud_around_segwit/d1nxxq6) as showing that secondary projects are working on SegWit. I've called him out on that, because the table doesn't actually show that. (I'm Xekyo on reddit). I would like to propose that development teams listed on that table get nudged to update their status, because it is my understanding
< GitHub192>
[bitcoin] yurizhykin opened pull request #7913: Fix for incorrect locking in GetPubKey() (keystore.cpp) (master...getpubkey-locking-fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7913
< GitHub79>
[bitcoin] sdaftuar opened pull request #7912: Tests: Fix deserialization of reject messages (master...fix-mininode-reject) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7912
< GitHub181>
[bitcoin] theuni opened pull request #7911: leveldb: integrate leveldb into our buildsystem (master...leveldb-integration) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7911
< sipa>
bitcoin.sipa.be is a node, and run with -segnet
< NicolasDorier>
morcos: there is this bug https://github.com/sipa/bitcoin/issues/73, I'll find out what happen later, but the problem is that the transaction is rejected by mempool but still added to wallet transactions. Then after one block, the transaction is rebroadcasted but this time accepted to mempool. The caller of sendtoaddress got an error and thought the money
< GitHub76>
[bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7762: [ZMQ] append a message sequence number to every ZMQ notification (master...2016/03/zmq_seq) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7762
< GitHub37>
bitcoin/master a1eb344 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #7762: [ZMQ] append a message sequence number to every ZMQ notification...
< GitHub37>
bitcoin/master 0b25a9f Jonas Schnelli: [ZMQ] append a message sequence number to every ZMQ notification
< GitHub37>
bitcoin/master de821d5 Jonas Schnelli: [ZMQ] refactor message string
< GitHub199>
[bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7625: Bugfix: Check for bench_bitcoin being enabled where needed, and skip UniValue dependency when unused (master...bugfix_bench_checks) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7625
< GitHub112>
[bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7905: test: move accounting_tests and rpc_wallet_tests to wallet/test (master...2016_04_accounting_tests_to_wallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7905
< GitHub49>
bitcoin/master a25a4f5 Wladimir J. van der Laan: wallet_ismine.h → script/ismine.h...
< GitHub49>
bitcoin/master f4eae2d Wladimir J. van der Laan: test: Create test fixture for wallet...
< GitHub49>
bitcoin/master de39c95 Wladimir J. van der Laan: test: move accounting_tests and rpc_wallet_tests to wallet/test...
< GitHub89>
[bitcoin] pstratem opened pull request #7907: Optimize and Cleanup CScript::FindAndDelete (master...2016-04-17-findanddelete) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7907
< phantomcircuit>
cfields: what's the best way to add a new binary to the auto tools stuff? i tried copying bitcoin-tx stuff and renaming it but things exploded
2016-04-18
< GitHub142>
[bitcoin] theuni opened pull request #7906: net: prerequisites for p2p encapsulation changes (master...net-refactor-prerequisites) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7906
< GitHub19>
[bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #7904: txdb: Fix assert crash in new UTXO set cursor (master...2016_04_fix_utxo_iterator) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7904
< GitHub31>
[bitcoin] TheBlueMatt opened pull request #7903: Fix help text around importaddress and rename it to importscript (master...16-04-importaddress-helptext) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7903
< GitHub32>
[bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7756: Add cursor to iterate over utxo set, use this in `gettxoutsetinfo` (master...2016_03_utxo_cursor) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7756
< GitHub77>
bitcoin/master 9e47fce Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #7756: Add cursor to iterate over utxo set, use this in `gettxoutsetinfo`...
< GitHub77>
bitcoin/master 509cb00 Wladimir J. van der Laan: txdb: Add Cursor() method to CCoinsView to iterate over UTXO set...
< Luke-Jr>
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