< gmaxwell>
sipa: yes, but I was concerned that there had been past changes we blew away with a subtree merge, they wouldn't have shown up with that check.
< bitcoin-git>
[bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #11401: doc: move gitian building to external repo (master...Mf1708-docGitianFedora) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11401
< analiser>
hi ppl any use bitcoinlib with core version 0.15 ?
< analiser>
python modules bitcoin & bitcoin.rpc going weird in new core versions
< sipa>
what's weird about it
< analiser>
any advise to handle bitcoin node in python will be appreciate
< analiser>
bitcoin module no object has no attribute 'SelectParams'
< analiser>
and bitcoin.rpc no att Proxy() anymore
< sipa>
i think you're confused... those are things implemented in the python side
< analiser>
yes
< sipa>
it has nothing to do with bitcoin core
< analiser>
just looking someone who use it
< sipa>
sorry, this is the wrong place
< analiser>
ok tk
< jcorgan>
are there recommended alternatives to openssl for the libcrypto portion? mostly interested in AES, SHA2, HMAC, PBKDF2, no need for actual TLS
< jcorgan>
C++
< luke-jr>
thoughts on moving the historical release notes to a separate repo, and not including them in the tarballs?
< luke-jr>
kinda just keeps making the tarballs bigger and bigger, for no real benefit
< maaku>
Am I reading things correctly that SCRIPT_VERIFY_MINIMALDATA is not consensus enforced for CSV and CLTV?
< sipa>
maaku: minimaldata is never a consensus rule
< maaku>
hrm. then i apologize for that. there's no reason those should have used fRequireMinimal for decoding the locktime/sequence
< sipa>
i agree... just always assuming true there would have been better - though i don't think it matters very much
< maaku>
What's the largest and smallest CScriptNums that can be created by existing opcodes?
< bitcoin-git>
[bitcoin] promag opened pull request #11402: [wallet] Use shared pointer for wallet instances (master...2017-09-wallet-shared-pointer) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11402
< esotericnonsense>
chucked in my 2c. tempted to go further, but i'll restrain myself.
< esotericnonsense>
the whole 'developers will be forced to do x' attitude demonstrates a (wilful? strange, anyway) lack of understanding about how OSS development works
< gmaxwell>
I think for the vast majority of bitcoin users -- bitcoin is the only open source thing they've ever looked at in any detail.
< esotericnonsense>
heh, i have a comment on that but i've rewritten it a few times and eventually conclude with 'individuals freedom is higher than you might think'.
< esotericnonsense>
on a basic level i'd probably go further and substitute 'open source thing' for 'software project'. similar arguments could be made for commercial stuff. there are things that an employer or client could ask me to do that would have me looking to move on as well, i don't think that's unusual and it seems obvious that it applies to most situations in which someone isn't in poverty.
< gmaxwell>
esotericnonsense: one thing that I think might contribute to that is that software engineering is a pretty in demand skill, ... a lot of people are not so fortunate as to have skills that basically result in guarenteed employability.
< esotericnonsense>
yes, that's why i ended up rewriting a few times and couldn't come up with an adequate message that conveyed the edge cases
< gmaxwell>
I've seen that kind of thinking in some of the less trolly omg blockstream posts-- a kind of "sure it's all good now, but what if they tell you to do something evil later!"; as if employment is slavery or something, but to people who aren't fortunate, I suppose it can be.
< goatpig>
one thing i that dumbfounds me in the blockstream conspiracy theories is how oblivious these people are of the ecosystem
< goatpig>
there's a few layers between the chain and the end user
< goatpig>
that's not happening out of thin air
< esotericnonsense>
it's just a problem in society in general. the same attitudes are expressed when you see e.g. a 'high' salary for a skilled or difficult role.
< goatpig>
there are people invested in developing those layers
< esotericnonsense>
e.g. 'the police commissioner is paid too much, let's get someone else' and lose all of that knowledge. (just an arbitrary example, i don't know much about policing).
< esotericnonsense>
(or alternately lower the pay, as if they can't just go off and do something else, or retire, or any number of options)
< esotericnonsense>
basically yes, adversarial employment is a thing that warps views.
< goatpig>
you can't talk of employement in half this ecosystem, most poeple in here just donate code outright to the project of their choice
< goatpig>
one would assume their motivations transcends the "follow the leader" mentality