< jeremyrubin> harding: sdaftuar: if you were going to use sequences, you could also more simply just use a linked-list style tree which puts out b outputs per layer.
< jeremyrubin> Which would enforce some sequencing
< jeremyrubin> but it would be less fun to be at the end of such a tree
< jeremyrubin> > [07:25] <sdaftuar> jeremyrubin: one practical thought to the issue you're seeing with a payment to 1000 outputs using a radix of 4: couldn't the sender just put a likely-to-be-confirmed-soon fee on the first five transactions (top 2 levels of the tree)? seems like that's a really small number of bytes, and once those are confirmed the situation gets much better
< jeremyrubin> Yes this is possible, but can still get locked out if someone publishes one branch and then pays a higher fee on their descendant then saturates the descendant limit
< jeremyrubin> Which would then lock up the higher ones
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] nekosei opened pull request #17223: Skip verification (master...add_log) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17223
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] nekosei closed pull request #17223: Skip verification (master...add_log) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17223
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9dd6bbba613d...4258fd73778c
< bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 89339d1 Fabian Jahr: tests: Add test for loadblock option
< bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4258fd7 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #17091: tests: Add test for loadblock option and linearize scripts
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #17091: tests: Add test for loadblock option and linearize scripts (master...loadblock_test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17091
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4258fd73778c...ceda6e8b7471
< bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 088a730 JeremyCrookshank: static tooltip
< bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ceda6e8 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #17180: gui: Improved tooltip for send amount field
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #17180: gui: Improved tooltip for send amount field (master...sendamounttooltip) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17180
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ceda6e8b7471...a884b3285496
< bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cd68594 Andrew Chow: Only check the hash of transactions loaded from disk
< bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a884b32 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #16911: wallet: Only check the hash of transactions loaded from disk...
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #16911: wallet: Only check the hash of transactions loaded from disk (master...wallet-skip-checktx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16911
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #17225: tests: Test serialisation as part of deserialisation fuzzing. Test round-trip equality where possible. (master...fuzzers-deserialize-with-roundtrip) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17225
< wumpus> (harmless) new clang warning: bitcoin/src/qt/guiutil.cpp:855:26: warning: implicit conversion from 'long' to 'double' changes value from 9223372036854775807 to 9223372036854775808 [-Wimplicit-int-float-conversion]
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] promag opened pull request #17226: gui: Fix payAmount tooltip in SendCoinsEntry (master...2019-10-payamount-tooltip) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17226
< promag> wumpus: sorry, had to push this x)
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] promag closed pull request #17182: 0.19: Revert 14193 to fix 17112 (0.19...2019-10-revert-14193-fix-17112) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17182
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] GChuf closed pull request #17048: gui: add shortcuts for Options and Command-line options (master...shortcuts) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17048
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #17210: qt: Make bech32 opt out (master...2019-10-bech32-opt-out) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17210
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a884b3285496...8f14d2002b11
< bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a0fc076 Sebastian Falbesoner: refactor: test/bench: dedup Build{Crediting,Spending}Transaction()
< bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8f14d20 MarcoFalke: Merge #17183: refactor: test/bench: dedup Build{Crediting,Spending}Transac...
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #17183: refactor: test/bench: dedup Build{Crediting,Spending}Transaction() (master...20191018-refactor-deduplicate_build_transaction_functions) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17183
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] icota opened pull request #17227: Qt: Add Android packaging support (master...qt-android-package) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17227
< fanquake> .xml and .java ?
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #17228: test: Add RegTestingSetup to setup_common (master...1910-RegTestingSetup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17228
< jnewbery> MarcoFalke wumpus: I think #17004 is ready for merge
< gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17004 | validation: Remove REJECT code from CValidationState by jnewbery . Pull Request #17004 . bitcoin/bitcoin . GitHub
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #17229: tests: Add fuzzing harnesses for various Base{32,58,64} and hex related functions (master...fuzzers-base_encode_decode) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17229
< MarcoFalke> I can't seem to find the button anymore
< sdaftuar> MarcoFalke: done
< MarcoFalke> thx
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/8f14d2002b11...deb2327b4359
< bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fdef8bb practicalswift: tests: Allow for using non-default fuzzing initialization
< bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b5ffa9f practicalswift: tests: Add Parse(...) (descriptor) fuzzing harness
< bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master deb2327 MarcoFalke: Merge #17018: tests: Add descriptor Parse(...) fuzzing harness
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #17018: tests: Add descriptor Parse(...) fuzzing harness (master...descriptor_parse) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17018
< sdaftuar> sipa: i saw there is some discussion (now partially deleted) on aj's PR relating to mapRelay and its future
< sdaftuar> i want to make sure i understand your concern. my idea for mapRelay is to nuke it but continue to achieve its goal of not leaking information about transactions until we intend to
< sdaftuar> (in fact, it falls short in its privacy goal right now due to a bug, which i would like us to improve)
< sipa> that sounds good
< sdaftuar> i don't believe anyone to my knowledge is proposing that we get rid of mapRelay and allow indiscriminate probing of our mempool contents -- i assume that is what you were objecting to?
< sipa> i was just confused by the "it's not a privacy leak to change this, because there is already another leak" comment, without looking at the code
< sipa> because that sounded like a terrible justification
< aj> sipa: it makes it easier to see old tx's still in your mempool, and to obtain a copy of them. doesn't affect brand new tx's
< sdaftuar> i'm not sure what marco means there. your earlier comment about testing the comments of our mempool is a subtle question, i think - the answer to that depends on the context?
< sdaftuar> ie i think we should try to hide recently relayed transactions, but there's probably no transaction-relay-related privacy benefit to not serving things in our mempool that are old
< sipa> well i was under the mistaken impression that this PR was giving up on mempool-presence testing, because of the "this is not leaking anything because things can be tested otherwise"
< sipa> sorry, i shouls not have commented before looking at the PR
< sdaftuar> ok, understood. i do think there are potential non-transaction-privacy related concerns with serving old mempool contents that could be brought up, so i don't want to gloss over any such issues if people think they're worth worrying about
< sdaftuar> for instance: i think greg once mentioned that you could turn the bitcoin network nodes' mempools into a distributed file system
< sdaftuar> another possible concern is if we exacerbate fingerprinting attacks
< sdaftuar> i tend to think that the first concern is something we could expend engineering manpower to combat if it became a problem
< sdaftuar> and the latter is overshadowed by other ways we can fingerprint that are not so easily stopped
< sipa> geah
< sipa> yeah
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theuni opened pull request #17231: depends: fix boost mac cross build with clang 9+ (master...fix-boost-clang9) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17231
< fanquake> "Fixed" in Clang 9 by changing the output of -dumpversion from a hardcoded 4.2.1, to Clangs actual version.
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] adamjonas opened pull request #17232: Sanity assert GetAncestor() != nullptr where appropriate (master...assert_get_ancestor) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17232
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #17233: travis: Run unit and functional tests on native arm (master...1910-travisNativeArm) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17233
< dongcarl> I'm reading the codebase right now and it seems like we query DNS seeds before we use the fixed seeds? Is that right? Why do we do it this way?
< sipa> dongcarl: static seeds are an absolute last resort
< dongcarl> sipa: Why not use static seeds before we query DNS?
< harding> dongcarl: because the fixed seeds are fallbacks in case the dynamic seeds (DNS) aren't working for some reason. The fixed seeds are just the results of a DNS query from probably months before when the software was in pre-release.
< sipa> because we ideally never use hardcoded static centralized-by-committee-chosen sets of IPs for this
< harding> The DNS seeds are recent results of nodes that were known to be up recently.
< sipa> they're a very last resort
< dongcarl> but aren't DNS seeds even more centralized-by-committee? I can see the case for "known to be up recently"...
< sipa> right, but at least those are only used to query other IP addresses
< sipa> rather than directly being IP addresses that are thrown direclty into addrman
< dongcarl> sipa: Well aren't they functionally the same? Someone who takes over the DNS seeds can also affect what's in your addrman? Or am I missing something
< sipa> i think you're right
< MarcoFalke> I think if you query by DNS seeds, you'll ask at least three random ones. So an attacker would have to take over all of them to achieve 100% takeover.
< sipa> there are other differences though... using the static seeds will just result in lots of connections to those IPs, which didn't actually ever commit to being online a lot of the te
< sipa> just historically good
< dongcarl> MarcoFalke: Right now an attacker can gain majority by taking over just one of them: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16070
< dongcarl> I'm bringing this up mostly in the context of this old issue: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6808
< dongcarl> I wonder what the use expectation is when they specify `-onlynet=onion`
< dongcarl> user*
< dongcarl> If we have hard-coded `.onion` addresses, I feel like those should be tried first, instead of the weird "connect thru an exit node to the address that one of the seeds resolve through" thing
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/deb2327b4359...c5ac7af7793a
< bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4896bac MapleLaker: Add testcase to simulate bitcoin schema in leveldb
< bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c5ac7af MarcoFalke: Merge #17206: test: Add testcase to simulate bitcoin schema in leveldb
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #17206: test: Add testcase to simulate bitcoin schema in leveldb (master...dbwrapper_basic_data) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17206
< bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #17235: tests: Skip unnecessary fuzzer initialisation. Hold ECCVerifyHandle only when needed. (master...fuzz-initialize-when-needed) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17235