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<bitcoin-git>
[bitcoin] aureleoules opened pull request #26331: Implement `CCoinsViewErrorCatcher::HaveCoin` and check disk space periodically (master...2022-10-disk-space-problems-fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26331
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<bitcoin-git>
[bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #26327: [24.x] Revert "build: Use Homebrew's sqlite package if it is available" (24.x...revert_slow_macos_sqlite) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26327
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<bitcoin-git>
[bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #26332: [24.x] Revert "build: Use Homebrew's sqlite package if it is available" (master...revert_slow_macos_sqlite_23_x) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26332
<bitcoin-git>
[bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #26332: [24.x] Revert "build: Use Homebrew's sqlite package if it is available" (master...revert_slow_macos_sqlite_23_x) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/26332
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<luke-jr>
instagibbs: aka add DRM/malware
<halosghost>
luke-jr: ?
<instagibbs>
halosghost, I suspect he is saying removing user options is bad, in unartful language. Disagreement is why I'm proposing the topic.
<halosghost>
instagibbs: I appreciate the interpretation; not sure I would have gotten from “add DRM/malware” to “removing a user feature” on my own.
<instagibbs>
I think DRM would be like "you can't run your node how you like, for possibly paternalistic reasons that have nothing to do with your node safety"
<instagibbs>
Anyhow, looking forward for progress, hoping we can agree on MVP to move on from the subject :)
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<luke-jr>
instagibbs: I'm saying artificially disregarding a supported user option until a certain timestamp is DRM
<luke-jr>
it's fundamentally the same thing as forced ads, or playback regions
<sipa>
I think the word you're looking for is "anti feature" (something which the user would not want/expect, and is more work than not implementing it).
<halosghost>
^
<sipa>
DRM is an example of an anti-feature, but seems pretty unrelated.
<halosghost>
region locking is both an anti-feature, and DRM; but most of the things listed so far don't hit me as DRM
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<halosghost>
sipa: beat me to it ☺
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<luke-jr>
I don't see how it _isn't_ DRM. It's clearly restricting access to a feature.
<earnestly>
"Artificially limiting a feature until such a time as the owners feel access is allowed isn't related to DRM"
<sipa>
Eh, I interpret DRM to be specific to technology to enforce copyright (what rights does the R stand for otherwise?). But that's turning into a semantics discussion.
<luke-jr>
Earnestly: no, it's ignoring the owner's request
<earnestly>
luke-jr: owners here are those who own bitcoin-core, not the node operator
<luke-jr>
the node operator owns the node
<luke-jr>
software/information is not owned, and copyrights are not rights
<earnestly>
I hoped the quotes would have helped but nevermind
<instagibbs>
luke-jr doesn't like options being removed, the metaphor given doesnt matter so much
<halosghost>
this ^
<luke-jr>
instagibbs: the option isn't being removed; it's being restricted
<earnestly>
This doesn't seem like an option being removed, it's about freedom to do certain things
<sipa>
I agree that's something else.
<sipa>
I find it weird to provide an option but then ignoring it until a certain time passes.
<luke-jr>
while I disagree with the previous state of not having an option also, it is fundamentally different from having an option, and refusing to allow the user to use it
<earnestly>
Is there some concern about operators not having support for fullrbf enabled and this causing problems? If so that does seem odd as full rbf has been available for a long time
<sipa>
This discussion probably belongs on the ML or PR, if we're going to into more than just commenting on semantics.
<luke-jr>
Earnestly: it's a principle thing IMO
<earnestly>
Seems like the argument is then: enable + delay vs. enable + no-delay
<luke-jr>
Earnestly: there are lots of other options
<luke-jr>
eg, right now it is simply disabled, with no delay to enable
<earnestly>
Ah, then it might make sense to enumerate them for the ML/PR
<luke-jr>
another possibility would be to have the default time-dependent
<luke-jr>
(but still honour the user decision)
<instagibbs>
If you haven't seen an enumeration listed, PR/dev list is right spot. I was hoping to recap on Thursday
<sipa>
luke-jr: I like that idea. Will comment on PR.
<instagibbs>
sipa, fwiw that was my suggestion. punt another 6 months, always honor explicit choice
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<bitcoin-git>
[gui] jonatack opened pull request #676: gui: update peers window "Transaction Relay" label and tooltip (master...update-peers-transaction-relay-label-and-tooltip) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/676
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<ariard>
instagibbs: thanks for bookmarking the full-rbf topic for upcoming meeting :)
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