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<bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kevkevinpal opened pull request #33264: threading: reduce the scope of lock in getblocktemplate (master...reduceScopeOfGetBlockTemplateLock) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33264
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<Sjors[m]1> Should we move the achow101/signapple repo to bitcoin-core? Maybe for the v30 release.
<bitcoinlover> Hi guys, ask a question, I need to measure performance of verifying some real blocks (including utxo loading from disk), I'm going to use -stopafterblockimport to achieve this. But I found the beginning blocks starting from genesis block has few Txs which is not a good choice to test with. Any hints?
<Sjors[m]1> bitcoinlover: I think l0rinc has been working on that issue
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<HowHsu> @Sjors[m]1, does bitcoin core currently has benchmark like so, allow selecting some block files, then testing the connection?
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<bitcoin-git> [gui-qml] johnny9 opened pull request #497: Add first unittest (qt6...unittest) https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui-qml/pull/497
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<achow101> Sjors[m]1: any reason to do so?
<Sjors[m]1> achow101: consistency with other maintainer tooling and a bit easier to find. But not a big deal.
<Sjors[m]1> Quick sv2 workgroup update since I'll be afk during some of the meeting. I just launched a standalone sv2 template provider that connects over IPC: https://github.com/Sjors/sv2-tp
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<Sjors[m]1> Thanks everyone for getting #31802 over the finish line.
<corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31802 | Add bitcoin-{node,gui} to release binaries for IPC by Sjors · Pull Request #31802 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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<achow101> #startmeeting
<corebot> achow101: Meeting started at 2025-08-28T16:00+0000
<corebot> achow101: Current chairs: achow101
<corebot> achow101: Useful commands: #action #info #idea #link #topic #motion #vote #close #endmeeting
<corebot> achow101: Participants should now identify themselves with '#here' or with an alias like '#here FirstLast'
<achow101> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: abubakarsadiq achow101 _aj_ ajonas b10c brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto hodlinator instagibbs jarolrod jonatack josibake kanzure laanwj LarryRuane lightlike luke-jr maflcko marcofleon maxedw Murch pinheadmz provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa sr_gi tdb3 theStack TheCharlatan vasild willcl-ark
<cfields> hi
<dzxzg> hi
<sliv3r__> hi
<jonatack> hi
<johnny9dev> hi
<l0rinc> hi
<eugenesiegel> hi
<stickies-v> hi
<achow101> There are no pre-proposed meeting topics this week. Any last minute ones to add?
<Murch[m]> Good morning
<kanzure> hi
<kevkevin> hi
<achow101> #topic Stratum v2 WG Update (sjors)
<achow101> <Sjors[m]1> Quick sv2 workgroup update since I'll be afk during some of the meeting. I just launched a standalone sv2 template provider that connects over IPC: https://github.com/Sjors/sv2-tp
<achow101> <Sjors[m]1> Thanks everyone for getting #31802 over the finish line.
<corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/31802 | Add bitcoin-{node,gui} to release binaries for IPC by Sjors · Pull Request #31802 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
<achow101> #topic MuSig2 WG Update (achow101)
<instagibbs> hi
<achow101> No updates since last week, #29675 is the pr to review
<_aj_> hi
<corebot> achow101: Error: That URL raised <Connection timed out.>
<achow101> #topic QML GUI WG Update (jarolrod, johnny9dev)
<johnny9dev> was out last week (summer time). But getting back this week and focused on testing. I opened a PR to add a basic unittest (bitcoin-core/gui-qml#497). Going to use Qt's unittest framework and likely add GMock later on for more complex test scenarios. Will try to cover all c++ modules and use the QML test framework to do basic testing on the qml views as well.
<corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui-qml/issues/497 | Add first unittest by johnny9 · Pull Request #497 · bitcoin-core/gui-qml · GitHub
<johnny9dev> that's all from me.
<achow101> #topic Benchmarking WG Update (josie, l0rinc)
<l0rinc> I have been measuring IBD on raspberry pis as well, was surprised to see that it took 2 minutes to connect a block
<l0rinc> was talking to localhost about having a few raspberry pi 5 servers to be able to measure these things continuously
<l0rinc> that's it from me
<achow101> #topic 30.0 feature freeze
<Murch[m]> l0rinc: Is there some data anywhere where we could see how time for IBD is progressing over time?
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<achow101> we're still in feature freeze for 30.0, and the milestone has several bugfix prs on it that need review
<achow101> anything that should be added or removed from the milestone?
<l0rinc> murch: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32043 shows how each PR affected the IBD time individually if that's what you're asking
<Murch[m]> No, that’s not what I meant, but I’ll follow up later.
<stickies-v> I think #33208 can be removed from the milestone, it's not completely fixed but the most common case should be, seems fine to me to not have this be a blocker
<corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33208 | Indexes stuck on unknown best block after unclean shutdown · Issue #33208 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
<l0rinc> achow101: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33224 has 9 acks, how can we help to move it further?
<achow101> stickies-v: removed
<achow101> #33224
<corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33224 | doc: unify `datacarriersize` warning with release notes by l0rinc · Pull Request #33224 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
<achow101> the blocker on that is the translation string
<sipa> hi. not here. no clustermempool updates
<achow101> since updating transifex will mess up translations that have already been done
<l0rinc> is there a way to update the English one without messing up anything else? The translations can stay the same as far as I'm concerned
<achow101> if the string is updated in the source code, but we don't update transifex, it will be english for all languages
<achow101> even if there is a translation for the old string
<_aj_> could update the source test for the translations when the translations are merged?
<_aj_> source text
<achow101> _aj_: we don't update transifex after translation strings freeze
<achow101> not even for minor releaes
<achow101> but we do pull down new translations for minor releases
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<l0rinc> sounds like transifex is holding us prisoners here
<l0rinc> or hostages or whatever the term is :)
<_aj_> achow101: we get the translation data out of transifex and merge it in though eg #32004. do that, then bulk search and replace the current english text with the change
<corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32004 | qt: 29.0 translations update by hebasto · Pull Request #32004 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
<achow101> _aj_: that's prone to breakage on the next translations update
<achow101> l0rinc: it's more of our own policy to not screw the translators
<l0rinc> how could it break exactly, isn't the source code being used as the source of truth?
<l0rinc> could other translation be messed up or just that they would have to retranslate this one in the worst case?
<achow101> l0rinc: the translation files also contain the untranslated string so that they can be matched against the source. what _aj_ is proposing is to modify the untranslated string contained in the translation file
<l0rinc> yes, it's what I proposed as well
<l0rinc> if we change all the keys, wouldn't that solve the problem deterministically?
<achow101> updating the source file in transifex will result in collateral damage in that _other_ strings will be marked as untranslated, requiring translators to re-enter and/or re-review those translations. while transifex has "memory", it doesn't fill things in automatically
<_aj_> so let's not do that until 31.0?
<achow101> this particular string would appear as a completely new string with no memory, and so has to be translated from scratch
<achow101> changing the translation files manually will require them to be changed manually for all strings update, otherwise the change gets reverted
<achow101> we do pull down translations for minor releases, and it's done by a script
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<l0rinc> I'm not sure I fully understand why this is an unsolvable problem, seems like a very minor inconvenience only - and I don't mind helping where I can
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<achow101> it's an inconvenience to all translators, and an inconvenience to the maintainers for the next 2 years. I don't think that's "very minor"
<achow101> *either an
<_aj_> seems like it would be pretty easy to change update-translations to do it automatically
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<l0rinc> we will have the same problem again regardless of this particular issue
<stickies-v> nothing against the change but i'm not sure it's worth spending this much time on tbh
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<achow101> stickies-v: right, is changing the string worth this much energy?
<achow101> l0rinc: why do you think we would have the same problem again?
<l0rinc> refactoring and updating strings is happening daily
<achow101> but not in the release branches, and generally not after translation strings freeze
<achow101> once we branch off, we can strings as we want
<achow101> this has been the process for at least a decade
<l0rinc> ok, seems I'm still missing some details, I'll accept of course and try to understand it better
<stickies-v> for #33189, maybe request review from some of the reviewers of the original PR? it was on my list for a while, but it's going to take me a lot more time than the many people familiar with the original pr
<corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33189 | rpc: followups for 33106 by glozow · Pull Request #33189 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
<l0rinc> #33106
<corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/33106 | policy: lower the default blockmintxfee, incrementalrelayfee, minrelaytxfee by glozow · Pull Request #33106 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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<achow101> stickies-v: requested a couple reviewers
<achow101> Any other topics to discuss today?
<eugenesiegel> Just one question, how much prior knowledge is required to review #32159
<corebot> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/32159 | net, pcp: handle multi-part responses and filter for default route while querying default gateway by willcl-ark · Pull Request #32159 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
<achow101> eugenesiegel: I don't think a whole lot is needed
<eugenesiegel> I am pretty ignorant of how pcp works
<achow101> you don't need any knowledge of pcp or natpmp. just need to figure out the details from the netlink and rtnetlink manpages
<eugenesiegel> achow101: ok great, I will review it
<achow101> #endmeeting
<corebot> achow101: Meeting ended at 2025-08-28T16:37+0000
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<achow101> 29.1rc2 bins are up
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<shiza> \o/
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<bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6ca6f3b37b99...9ae23950ef80
<bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 509ffea fanquake: ci: return to using dash in CentOS job
<bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9ae2395 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#33261: ci: return to using dash in CentOS job
<bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #33261: ci: return to using dash in CentOS job (master...centos_restore_dash) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33261
<bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9ae23950ef80...4d54bb2b92cc
<bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 493ba0f kevkevinpal: threading: reduce the scope of lock in getblocktemplate
<bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4d54bb2 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#33264: threading: reduce the scope of lock in getblo...
<bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #33264: threading: reduce the scope of lock in getblocktemplate (master...reduceScopeOfGetBlockTemplateLock) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33264
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<bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 5 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4d54bb2b92cc...6ff2d423625d
<bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9169a50 glozow: [rpc] expose blockmintxfee via getmininginfo
<bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 636fa21 glozow: test fixups
<bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c568511 glozow: test fixup for incremental feerate
<bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #33189: rpc: followups for 33106 (master...2025-08-minrelay) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33189
<bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6ff2d423625d...084fd68fda2c
<bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4cf0ae4 fanquake: ci: use LLVM 21
<bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 084fd68 merge-script: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#33258: ci: use LLVM 21
<bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #33258: ci: use LLVM 21 (master...ci_llvm_21) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33258
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<bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #32054: cmake, guix: Skip building tests in subtrees for releases (master...250313-test-binary) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/32054
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<bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #33268: wallet: Identify transactions spending 0-value outputs, and add tests for anchor outputs in a wallet (master...zero-value-from-me) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33268
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<bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/084fd68fda2c...7cc9a087069b
<bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master df5a50e Anthony Towns: bench/blockencodings: add compact block reconstruction benchmark
<bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b9300d8 Anthony Towns: Revert "refactor: Simplify `extra_txn` to be a vec of CTransactionRef inst...
<bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b7b249d Anthony Towns: Revert "[refactor] rewrite vTxHashes as a vector of CTransactionRef"
<bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #33253: Revert compact block cache inefficiencies (master...202508-cache-friendly-compactblock) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/33253
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