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fjahr >
#proposedmeetingtopic ASMap creation progress (I hope my connection will be stable enough, otherwise I will post it later)
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kevkevin_ >
nvm I'm early bye
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instagibbs >
that's a paddling
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achow101 >
#startmeeting
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achow101 >
#bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101
_aj_ amiti ariard aureleoules b10c BlueMatt brunoerg cfields darosior dergoegge dongcarl fanquake fjahr furszy gleb glozow hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jonatack josibake kallewoof kanzure kouloumos kvaciral laanwj LarryRuane lightlike luke-jr MacroFake Murch phantomcircuit pinheadmz promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar S3RK stickies-v sipa theStack TheCharlatan vasild
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achow101 >
There is one preproposed meeting topic this week. Any last minute ones to add?
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kanzure >
#proposedmeetingtopic mailing list archive progress
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achow101 >
#topic package relay updates (glozow)
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instagibbs >
Hi, glozow is afk for now, so I'll be giving the update today
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instagibbs >
#28948 is still the thing to review, we're gunning for merge pre-feature freeze, with
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instagibbs >
it nonstandard in mainnet prior to release to allow for a bit of bikeshedding over the magic number
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instagibbs >
Next release focus on 1p1c relay, V3 sibling eviction, 2-cluster package rbf, LN imbue(if any), cluster mempool(!ambitious!)
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instagibbs >
that's all
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achow101 >
#topic silent payments updates (josie)
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V3 is a bit of a blocker for many PRs, so will be nice to clear it off
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josie >
per last weeks discussion, I started rewriting #28122 to use the libsecp module, I expect to have that finished soon
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theStack and I have been working on that PR, mostly discussing the interface for the API. would love some feedback, esp from the more seasoned libsecp contributors
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josie >
1471 is marked as a draft, but we could probably mark it as open. not sure if theStack is here, but ill let them make that call
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josie >
thats all for me
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achow101 >
i've updated the priority board to list the libsecp pr as silent payment's priority
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#topic multiprocess updates (ryanofsky)
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ryanofsky >
#29409 and #29409 ready for review, but that's all
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ryanofsky >
oops #28929 and 29409
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achow101 >
#topic Ad-hoc high priority for review
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achow101 >
Also 27.0 feature freeze is this coming Monday.
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theres a few outstanding PRs for the wallet migration, right? might be nice to add them to the high prio
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josie >
(a few prs before dropping the experimental flag for 27.0)
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achow101 >
yes, I've added those to the tracking issue
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achow101 >
#topic ASMap creation progress (fjahr)
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I wanted to share the progress we have made on the data collection and processing steps that can lead to an ASMap file that we trust enough to include it in releases. I had shared the rough concept a few months ago but now you can see what it looks like in action.
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Step 1: Data collection, demoed here:
https://github.com/fjahr/asmap-data/issues/9 Multiple contributors first agree to launch the Kartograf mapping process at a specific timestamp, coordinated via an issue. Kartograf now has a feature that makes this comfortable (`-wait`), you just set it and it launches the process when the timestamp is hit. In testing so far we have found that there is a good chance that within a group
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fjahr >
of 5 or more the majority of participants will have the same result. That is the threshold I am proposing as well for the start: 5+ participants and >50% match in result. This will not work every time but maybe 4/5 and we can simply have a redo when there is a failure to agree on a result. We can also adjust the values over time as we get more practice. This process can be initiated by anyone, very similar to a Core PR.
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fjahr >
Participants that have a matching result could be interpreted as ACKs. If anyone sees something weird in the result or they simply didn’t get a match, they can ask for the raw data to be shared to investigate further.
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fjahr >
Step 2: Compression, demoed here:
https://github.com/fjahr/asmap-data/pull/10 Based on the result file a PR can be created that adds the compressed asmap.dat of the previous result to the repo. Similar to our normal PRs, 2-3 reviewers should ensure they get the same result before the file gets merged.
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fjahr >
Step 3: Using the asmap.dat files: Users that want to run their node with an asmap file can get regular updates from there. When we decide to include a default asmap.dat file in a release, we can pick one of the recent ones from the repo.
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fjahr >
Many thanks to those who participated in all those tests so far! Happy to answer questions :)
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fjahr >
(now or later)
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achow101 >
cool, thanks for the update
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#topic mailing list archive progress (kanzure)
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kanzure >
we have the .mbox files and such, but the announcement email is waiting on a mailing list archive
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I thought the idea was to use public-inbox?
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kanzure >
which i am actively working on-- public-inbox.org default import order is somewhat random and the publicly accessible archive does not look good
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kanzure >
yes, but mb2md produces a random order when converted to public-inbox.org's git repository
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so anyway, i need to make a commit order that looks reasonable based on the emails in the mbox file
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kanzure >
working on it!
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how long will the archive on linuxfoundation.org be live?
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i don't think they will host our new archive :|
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kanzure >
we can ask
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didn't
_aj_ have a public-inbox demo for the list?
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kanzure >
oh these are the .txt.gz archives?
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achow101 >
presumably?
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can the mbox be posted somewhere so other people can also make archives?
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are there strong opinions about whether headers shuld be stripped?
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are the headers in what was sent out to the list recipients?
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vasild >
headers were not public before (so far)?
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if people received them in their mail clients, I don't see why they should be
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I mean public via some web interface / mail archive
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only received by list recipients, not published on a mail archive AFAIK
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oh. if they weren't published in the archive before, then i think it would be fine to not publish them in the new one
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Any other topics to discuss?
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one reason that the announcement has not been sent yet is a desire to include all new emails in the archive, and that won't work until the public archive is ready
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cguida: it's controversial
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achow101: I don't think it is. I think all of the objections have been dealt with. What objections do you think have not been addressed? I'm willing to do whatever work you guys suggest.
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what's left would be for several of the people who NACK'd to drop their NACKs. And for more active contributors to ACK it.
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cguida >
Ok, thanks. Can you suggest a threshold for maximum number of NACKs? And the PR already has 6 ACKs, but I can see if I can get others to add their voices.
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achow101 >
do not brigade it
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achow101 >
no, a threshold will not be provided
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cguida: ACKing is not voting
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cguida >
I won't, this would just be out of band communication. I think this is an important issue that needs to be addressed somehow. If not this PR, then I hope we can rally around some kind of mitigation for this vulnerability.
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josie: Yes I understand. I'm just wondering who you guys think I'd need to persuade to ACK. Is it Peter?
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multiple of the people who are actively working on mempool policy, who currently have not yet commented on the pr
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cguida >
Ok, thanks. I appreciate the feedback :)
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Any other topics?
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while that would be a helpful improvement on that PR, it should not be understood to be a guaranteed approval upon those acks
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#endmeeting
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bitcoin/master 97b0753 furszy: wallet: clean redundancies in DelAddressBook
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bitcoin/master bba4f8d furszy: refactor: SetAddrBookWithDB, signal only if write succeeded
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bitcoin/master d094331 furszy: refactor: SetAddressBookWithDB, minimize number of map lookups
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kanzure: Of course. I just think that it's an important issue that should be addressed somehow, and sooner rather than later. I'm concerned that bitcoin core has been emphasizing speaking for the miner community recently, and that users and holders are in danger of losing their voice in the development process. Bitcoin Core's voice carries gravitas in the bitcoin community, but it risks losing this influence if it stops
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representing the interests of the users and holders, as the only other way they can voice their interests, besides through the Core dev process, is through forks and alternative clients.
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there's a switch, you can wear hats to encourage people to turn it off, right?
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PR is a question of default, anyone who would run a fork could much easier update their config, imo
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there's a switch already?
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-permitbaremultisig or am I think
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ing of wrong idea
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instagibbs: yes, but it only works if miners turn it off, and miners can't be expected to do this without support from the user community, since they would be leaving fees on the table for other mining pools to collect. The only way we can help the miners coordinate around a potential reduction in short-term profits is if they can have assurances that this is really what the user community wants and that other miners will
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*simultaneously* follow suit. And the only way users can voice their support at the moment is through core's default policy.
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that's not a dev problem, sorry
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instagibbs: who represents the users, if not the devs?
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wouldn't it be easier for those users to pay higher fees? i don't understand.
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kanzure: The PR above is to fix a vulnerability whereby the utxoset is being unnecessarily bloated, in order to cater to second-layer token protocols. If we can't come together as a user community to say "leaving -permitbaremultisig on is a bad idea and should be discouraged", then I'm worried about what might happen when there's a real attack. The utxoset has already doubled in the past year from 5GB to 10GB. The cap is
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1MB/block, or around ~40GB/year. Low-resource nodes are already struggling to IBD, and many forms of hardware have already been permanently excluded from the list of devices that can sync the blockchain in a reasonable amount of time.
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The fees are a secondary concern, though also important.
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hi! late reply regarding silent payments: my plan is to put the secp256k1 module pr out of draft once 1) it's updated to the latest interface suggestion that josibake and me agreed on. 2) tests from the bip test vectors are available as c code (there's already a python script that exercises the tests by calling into the shared library; it will be modified to generate a tests_impl.h file)
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hope to have that ready by next week. and indeed, feedback would be much appreciated!
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