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<bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] lsilva01 opened pull request #23437: refactor, mempool: remove AcceptToMemoryPoolWithTime (master...remove_atmp_time) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23437
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<bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] meshcollider merged pull request #22949: fee: Round up fee calculation to avoid a lower than expected feerate (master...feerate-round) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22949
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<bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #22167: refactor: Remove char serialize (master...2105-uin8t) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/22167
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<bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #23438: Use spans of std::byte in serialize (master...2105-uin8t) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23438
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<yanmaani> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1223 what's going on with this PR
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<yanmaani> why are there comments older than the PR
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<yanmaani> did he just select 2 random branches, hit the PR button, and then write some stuff in the box?
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<michaelfolkson> yanmaani: I don't know what he did specifically but it has happened before too during the Taproot activation param discussion (I think that was due to comments on a private PR that was made public). You can't rely on the GitHub timestamping
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<michaelfolkson> If timestamps are important we should probably be using OpenTimestamps
<luke-jr> maybe comments made on the commits before the PR was opened?
<michaelfolkson> Yeah maybe
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<bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] martinus opened pull request #23439: Open streams_test_tmp file in temporary folder (master...2021-11-allow-concurrent-streams_buffered_file_rand) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23439
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<laanwj> #startmeeting
<core-meetingbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 4 19:00:18 2021 UTC. The chair is laanwj. Information about MeetBot at https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/ircmeetings.
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<laanwj> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: achow101 _aj_ amiti ariard BlueMatt cfields Chris_Stewart_5 darosior digi_james dongcarl elichai2 emilengler fanquake fjahr gleb glozow gmaxwell gwillen hebasto instagibbs jamesob jarolrod jb55 jeremyrubin jl2012 jnewbery jonasschnelli jonatack jtimon kallewoof kanzure kvaciral laanwj larryruane lightlike luke-jr maaku marcofalke meshcollider michagogo moneyball
<laanwj> morcos nehan NicolasDorier paveljanik petertodd phantomcircuit promag provoostenator ryanofsky sdaftuar sipa vasild
<jonatack> hi
<ariard> hi
<jarolrod> Hi
<kvaciral[m]> hi
<michaelfolkson> hi
<laanwj> no pre-proposed meeting topics for this week, anyone who would like to discuss anything?
<laanwj> for example what they're working on
<glozow> hi
<achow101> Hi
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<sipa> hi
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<b10c> hi
<sipa> #proposedmeetingtopic andytoshi stepping down as secp256k1 maintainer
<andytoshi> hi
<laanwj> let's start with high priority for review as usual
<laanwj> #topic High priority for review
<core-meetingbot> topic: High priority for review
<laanwj> currently https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8 11 blockers, 1 chasing concept ACK
<laanwj> anything to add, remove, or that is almost ready for merge?
<luke-jr> #proposedmeetingtopic reverting https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/296
<laanwj> none at all?
<sipa> lots of people at tabconf right now
<laanwj> #topic andytoshi stepping down as secp256k1 maintainer (sipa)
<core-meetingbot> topic: andytoshi stepping down as secp256k1 maintainer (sipa)
<laanwj> sipa: ohh
<sipa> i defer to andytoshi :p
<andytoshi> hiya -- i opened issue https://github.com/bitcoin-core/secp256k1/issues/1003 on libsecp with a GPG-signed note
<andytoshi> basically saying, i have not been active as a maintainer so i'm rescinding my merge access
<andytoshi> i will still be a contributor
<andytoshi> basically, no practical change in my involvement in the bitcoin community -- just dropping merge access from this specific repo
<andytoshi> as of nov 8, which was an arbitrary "after i've had time to inform everyone, and to avoid the appearence of me being under duress or whatever, but otherwise immediately"
<andytoshi> </end>
<laanwj> yes, good to drop merge access if you're effectively not using it, good luck in your other projects!
<andytoshi> thanks!
<laanwj> thanks for letting us know
<laanwj> #topic reverting https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/296 (luke-jr)
<core-meetingbot> topic: reverting https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gui/pull/296 (luke-jr)
<luke-jr> looking through actual translations, several of them did in fact make use of the %n feature, so it seems like this was a bad idea resulting in worse translations
<laanwj> not sure this makes sense discussing without hebasato present
<luke-jr> right
<michaelfolkson> Who are the other maintainers of secp256k1 btw?
<laanwj> hebasto*
<luke-jr> but it would be nice to reach out to the actual translators affected
<jarolrod> I can’t attest to the quality in the change of the translations
<sipa> real_or_random, nickler, me
<luke-jr> unfortunately I didn't see a good way to do so
<michaelfolkson> sipa: Thanks
<jarolrod> But if they were negatively impacted, it would not be controversial to revert
<laanwj> i really cannot judge this, i don't know any languages in which this particular change makes a difference
<laanwj> right
<jarolrod> As it is evidence that it was being used
<laanwj> it was being used but was it being used correctly
<laanwj> we need someone that knows the language in question
<luke-jr> does anyone know a good way to reach the translators of these languages? :/
<sipa> which languages are affected?
<achow101> transifex has a message function
<laanwj> you could send a message on transifex
<luke-jr> bg, ca, eo, es_CL, fr, he, hr, pl, ro, sk, sl, sv, szl
<luke-jr> achow101: but there's so many
<luke-jr> I'd have to message each one individually, and no idea which are active
<laanwj> or even a more general wide message to get people to give their opinion on this
<luke-jr> hmm, I suppose an announcement could work?
<laanwj> yes
<lightlike> did native speakers of any of the affected languages confirm that it's needed, and translations are worse now? they are not particularly exotic (e.g. fr, sv)
<luke-jr> lightlike: no, that's why I want to reach out ☺
<luke-jr> should I link this PR in the announcement? or some better way?
<luke-jr> I guess translators might not have GitHub
<laanwj> you can't assume people on transifex have a github account
<luke-jr> hebasto said "Translators can open issues on transifex.com that are associated to the translatable strings."
<luke-jr> maybe I can make a tutorial for doing so
<laanwj> yes, there is some mechanism for that, not sure how well it works
<jarolrod> ^^^^^^ only if it helps with your explanation of what the change was
<luke-jr> and this only gets negative feedback - no way to tell if people read the msg
<luke-jr> maybe a new issue to track it?
<luke-jr> err, that's github again >_<
<laanwj> you could make a) an announcement about the change b) then put your mail adres or such for people to contact you in case it causes problems
<laanwj> if no one contacts you, it's clear
<luke-jr> well, if noone contacts me it might just be nobody sees the announcements :P
<laanwj> well if no one cares what can you do
<laanwj> better to drop it maybe :)
<luke-jr> I'll run a draft ann by people here later
<laanwj> thanks!
<laanwj> any other topics?
<laanwj> (this is yet again an example of lack of communication with translators, if we had a moderator/reviewer as point of contact for every language it'd be much easier)
<michaelfolkson> I think jarolrod and hebasto are revamping the process?
<michaelfolkson> Or intending to?
<laanwj> yes
<jarolrod> While here, at cordev I had presented on issues with translations
<jarolrod> I’m writing up an issue to present to the community some proposals on the revamp
<jarolrod> Will share soon :)
<michaelfolkson> Cool :)
<laanwj> great!
<laanwj> #endmeeting
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<luke-jr> draft announcement for transifex: https://gist.github.com/luke-jr/7802b7601812a17f883adabe12823f1f
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<luke-jr> laanwj: jarolrod: hebasto: ^
<luke-jr> (I did not see any way for translators to report issues on Transifex)
<laanwj> luke-jr: looks good to me
<jarolrod> Looks good to me as well
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<bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dhruv opened pull request #23440: Bip324 ellsq buildwoes (master...bip324-ellsq-buildwoes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23440
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<bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dhruv closed pull request #23440: Bip324 ellsq buildwoes (master...bip324-ellsq-buildwoes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/23440
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<dhruv> Is there a way to configure github to by default make PRs against master on my fork, instead of defaulting to the fork's upstream repo?
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<objdefined[m]> Hello guys
<objdefined[m]> I'm curious about your thoughts on trusting cryptocurrency exchanges.
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<hebasto> luke-jr: ack on announcement
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<common> when are bitcoin core dev meetings?
<luke-jr> hebasto: I can't find that screenshotted thing anywhere
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<michaelfolkson> objdefined[m]: Wrong channel, this is focused on Core development. Try #bitcoin
<michaelfolkson> common: 19:00 UTC on Thursdays for Core. 19:00 UTC on Friday every 2 weeks for Core wallet
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<common> ty michaelfolkson
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<Guest58> Hi
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