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<willcl-ark>
Is CJDNS still relatively functional? It seems to me that the project is pretty much unmaintained -- about 10 bugfix commits in 2023 so I have some reservations about the maintenance burden vs usefulness. Browsing the subreddit also seems to indicate that most development (and users?) have migrated to Yggdrasil, and I'm wondering if we should consider a similar migration in the future?
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<sipa>
i don't think CJDNS has really ever been functional
<Murch[m]>
laanwj: That happens to me sometimes when my auth with nickserv times out
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<laanwj>
i'm fine with either, yes it is a lot of noise, compared to actual changes to the source code, but yeah it can also be useful to see that others are building
<laanwj>
the amount of noise could be limited by only mentioning merged PRs for that repo, not the individual commits
<laanwj>
there's no setting for that in the bot right now to configure that per repo, but it shouldn't be too involved to implement
<laanwj>
the amount of code dedicated to cjdns support is minimal (it's mostly just IPv6), i dont think it's that much of a maintenance burden? that said, if no one uses it, there's no point
<laanwj>
agree, i had a bitcoin node on cjdns, but it's a long time ago
<laanwj>
willcl-ark have you used yggdrasil? at least superficially it looks very similar to cjdns, as a custom mapping of public keys to IPv6; but it uses the `200::/7` range instead of `fc00::/8`
<laanwj>
you could handle it in the same way, though if you want address gossip/seeding you'd have to define a addrv2 type
<laanwj>
Pieter oh... weird!
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<BlueMatt[m]>
grrr, sorry, the bot got a bit behind due to a config issue and you got a replay of stale messages
<sipa>
they don't seem too stale
<BlueMatt[m]>
well, anything that hadnt been sent since like yesterday, but most of it was actually recent :)
<lightlike>
my experience with CJDNS is that it worked well and fast, but there were almost no other peers using it (<10 when I last checked).
<sipa>
lightlike: yeah, i don't think it's technically broken, but the philosophy behind it really isn't an overlay network like tor/i2p, nor is its primary goal privacy, but really its purpose is the super-ambitious "build a replacement for the internet with manually-configured links"... and it doesn't seem to be succeeding at all in that regard
<lightlike>
"the amount of code dedicated to cjdns support is minimal (it's mostly just IPv6), i dont think it's that much of a maintenance burden?" Imo it's mostly the "MaybeFlipIPv6toCJDNS" hack that has caused some headaches (and is still not fixed everywhere I think).
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<lightlike>
fyi @vasild (if you haven't seen this)
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<sipa>
lightlike: yeah, that's fair - i don't think it's a particularly large burden for us
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<sipa>
but there are perhaps expectations that matter; given how tiny the CJDNS-intersect-Bitcoin network is, choosing for example to run CJDNS-only would be an absolutely terrible idea
<laanwj>
it's mostly useful to have an alternative connection to the network outside your normal ISP (to prevent eclipse), then again, tor and i2p work for that too, and for bitcoin their higher latency isn't really a problem
<sipa>
yeah, generally more networks = better partition/eclipse resistance
<sipa>
but in the case of CJDNS the benefit is pretty tiny
<laanwj>
yes, messages from irc seem to be duplicated by the bridghe
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<BlueMatt[m]>
okay, I kicked it again, hopefully now its not so sad
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<sipa>
let's see
<achow101>
my crawler so far hasn't found any cjdns nodes, except the one I seeded it with
<achow101>
although maybe it hasn't been running for long enough
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<willcl-ark>
laanwj: No I didn't manage to get CJDNS set up yet, as in actually connected into the network. Investigations into searching for peers to get bootstrapped led me to github, reddit etc. where there just seemed to be folks proclaiming it as dead (years ago), and mentioning Yggdrasil as a maintained/alive alternative L2 overlay project.
<bitcoin-git>
bitcoin/master dfcef53 Matthew Zipkin: blockstorage: do not flush block to disk if it is already there
<bitcoin-git>
bitcoin/master 69ddee6 Ava Chow: Merge bitcoin/bitcoin#27039: blockstorage: do not flush block to disk if i...
<bitcoin-git>
[bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #27039: blockstorage: do not flush block to disk if it is already there (master...reindex-read-only) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/27039
<bitcoin-git>
bitcoin/master f252e68 Ryan Ofsky: assumeutxo test: Add RPC test for fake nTx and nChainTx values
<bitcoin-git>
bitcoin/master 63e8fc9 Ryan Ofsky: ci: add getchaintxstats ubsan suppressions
<bitcoin-git>
bitcoin/master 0fd915e Ryan Ofsky: validation: Check GuessVerificationProgress is not called with disconnecte...
<bitcoin-git>
[bitcoin] achow101 merged pull request #29370: assumeutxo: Get rid of faked nTx and nChainTx values (master...pr/nofake) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/29370
<vasild>
willcl-ark: laanwj: sipa: lightlike: My node has 1 p2p connection to a CJDNS node and in my addrman there are 2 (!?) CJDNS addresses. It works, but is not popular. One usecase for it could be in environments where Tor and I2P are blocked by a firewall/gov/isp/whatever and the operator still wants to hide the fact that they are running bitcoin node from their ISP. But for this it needs some
<vasild>
minimum amount of people to run bitcoin node on CJDNS. I was going to suggest this on https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/29618 where the OP pushes for p2p-v2-only option as if the presence of v1 connection is harmful and talks about environments where Tor and I2P are blocked. Surely, if CJDNS becomes popular it will be blocked as well :)
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<vasild>
IIRC I2P was not popular either until at some point some distros included it by default (e.g. umbrella, rasbiblitz and alike). Now there are thousands of I2P nodes.
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<sipa>
vasild: i think a difference between CJDNS and I2P is the (by design) manual configuration needed for CJDNS
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<emzy>
I always needed to add other CJDNS "gateways" because I could not connect to the old. No idea what the issue was. Maybe changing home IP. FIW it was not woking for long without repeating attention.